I think it's worth a shot. We never really had problems getting information from you guys, especially since we have all these agreements set in place.
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From: Orwin, Ethan M MAJ USARMY TRADOC (USA) <ethan.m.orwin.mil@mail.mil>
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To: Benzi Zimerman <Benzi_zimerman@mail.gov.il>
Subject: RE: [Non-DoD Source] Re: RFI - US ARMY
Benzi,
When I met with Hovav and Lior, I passed on the basics of our doctrine on this topic. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to get the document itself cleared for passing, because it's a joint/multi-service document that is "for official use only" (meaning unclassified, but distribution is still controlled/limited). That means that offices in the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force ALL have to agree to pass it on, which is difficult to achieve.
Do you want to put in a formal request for the document? There's no harm, but I think it would take months and may or may not succeed.
Very Respectfully,
Ethan Orwin
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Hey Ethan, I hope all is well
Can you guys pass along the doctrine document? Is it UNCLASSIFIED?
V/r
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On Mar 14, 2019, at 09:31, Orwin, Ethan M MAJ USARMY TRADOC (USA) <ethan.m.orwin.mil@mail.mil < Caution-mailto:ethan.m.orwin.mil@mail.mil > > wrote:
Hi Benzi,
Yes, I passed them what I could from our doctrine and we had a good discussion. Lior is welcome to get back in touch or request more from me at any time.
Very Respectfully,
Ethan Orwin
Major, U.S. Army
U.S. Army Training & Doctrine Command Liaison Officer
to Israel and Jordan
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Hey Ethan,
Following up your meeting with Lior.
Were you able to get anything?
v/r
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On Dec 30, 2018, at 09:38, Orwin, Ethan M MAJ USARMY ARCIC IAPD (USA) <ethan.m.orwin.mil@mail.mil < Caution-mailto:ethan.m.orwin.mil@mail.mil > < Caution-Caution-mailto:ethan.m.orwin.mil@mail.mil < Caution-mailto:ethan.m.orwin.mil@mail.mil > > > wrote:
אהלן בנזי,
מה שלומך? אהיה בארב"ב 6-13/1, אז עדיף להיפגש עם ערן אורטל השבוע אם הוא פנוי (שאני קובע דרך החבר'ה בדדו, או דרכך?).
גם אם אל"ם ורדי אם הוא פנוי השבוע. לא יודע איפה הוא יושב, אבל אם הוא בקריה זה יהיה די קל... המשרד שלי בבניין מרגנית.
תודה!
Very Respectfully,
Ethan Orwin
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to Israel and Jordan
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Subject: RE: [Non-DoD Source] RE: RFI - US ARMY
Benzi,
I've spent some time looking into COL Vardi's request. The current JFIRE manual was updated in 2016. It includes details on risk-estimate distances (combat) and minimum safe distances (training) for air and surface delivered munitions. It no longer uses the 10% PI, only the 0.1%. I'm afraid that it's not currently releasable to our Israeli partners. The fact that it is currently releasable to a number of other allied militaries indicates that formal requests for it have been approved in the past. If you'd like to request the manual, let me know, as I can push that request to our Army Combined Arms Doctrine Directorate (CADD).
In the meantime, due to that non-releasable status, I can't really send anything electronic. I would, however, be happy to meet with COL Vardi and discuss the issue, and some of the factors that go into our doctrine. Actually, I'd like to meet him anyway, since I'm our Army's doctrine LNO here. That leaves two meeting requests from me to you: Eran Ortal and COL Vardi. Thanks Benzi!
Very Respectfully,
Ethan Orwin
Major, U.S. Army
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to Israel and Jordan
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CPT Zimmerman,
I believe MAJ Orwin will be able to get that info to you.
thanks,
colk
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Subject: RFI - US ARMY
Sir,
Please find the following RFI.
Thanks,
Benzi